New Strategy: Counter-Insurgency

I'm pleased to announce a new strategy called "Counter-Insurgency" is now available for a limited time!

Counter-Insurgency turns air support units (i.e. sentries) into, essentially, predator drones. The strategy also gives you extra protection against Insurrection. Here's a breakdown of exactly what Counter-Insurgency gives you:

All units get:
+2 defense against militia, marines, submarines, stealth planes, sentries
-1 defense against tanks, destroyers, bombers, infantry
+1 view range

Sentry Planes get:
+4 attack (making a total attack of 5)
+5 critical chance
+20 view range
-230 cost

Infantry gets:
-10 cost

Militia gets:
-1 range

Marines, Submarines, Stealth get:
-1 attack
+20 cost
-1 defense when attacked by sentries

To get the most out of Counter-Insurgency, you need to have the Air Support upgrade.

Counter-Insurgency will be available for 1 month, until March 18, 2019. So give it a try!

EDIT: extending CI for 1 more week until March 25, 2019.

Since Insurrection will remain available until March 6, this gives you 2 weeks to try Insurrection vs. Counter-Insurgency, if you want to.

A reminder to scenario players -- if you are concerned about strategies effecting the balance of your scenario, don't forget there is a "disable strategies" option you can use when starting a new game.

As always, please post your feedback about Counter-Insurgency and any if needed adjustments can be made along the way.

Cheers!

Dave | 18.02.2019

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JF. Prestige लेखो: 1076 (Message) से (User): सर्बिया	+21 18.02.2019 - 20:23 JF. No useless strat. Just tested it. It is essentialy blitz vs anything but gw and ins, with the -1 defence to tanks, destroyers, bombers, infantry. You have to be certain your opponents will be using ins or gw to use it, which is hard. 120 cost for 5 attack units, gl expanding... It's not even a massive counter to Insurgency, with its high cost and low attack. overall 0/10. लदान... लदान...
Sid (प्रशासन) Belligerent लेखो: 2149 (Message) से (User): USA	+1 18.02.2019 - 20:24 Sid (प्रशासन) Nice! लदान... लदान...
Puchao लेखो: 35 (Message) से (User): UK	+2 18.02.2019 - 20:25 Puchao Join sp police! ---- Ed. sp police best clan ever लदान... लदान...
Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) Paradox लेखो: 3002	+3 18.02.2019 - 20:26 Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) लिखा द्वारा Sultan of Swing, 10.02.2019 at 21:05 Holy full support edit: I think sentries should only get +3 attack since theres no range nerf for them in this idea (range is quite op indeed), and should get +1 attack against stealth Blah 5 attack. It needed 6, sultan. You'll see once you actually play it. लदान... लदान...
njab खाता खाते को नष्ट कर दिया है।	+1 18.02.2019 - 20:28 njab खाता खाते को नष्ट कर दिया है। Join Epic Clan I make ćevapi and pljeskavice every weekend लदान... लदान...
Mars Attack! Red Ball Express लेखो: 114	18.02.2019 - 20:32 Mars Attack! Bad idea, witch doctor...apparently, this is your dumb idea to counter MoS/stealth. लदान... लदान...
dk97.__ लेखो: 18 (Message) से (User): USA	18.02.2019 - 20:40 dk97.__ Worth a try a guess ---- Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools. लदान... लदान...
Lord Sauron Aloysian Guard लेखो: 4 (Message) से (User): USA	18.02.2019 - 20:45 Lord Sauron Lol ---- Lord Sauron लदान... लदान...
4nic Illyria लेखो: 5342 (Message) से (User): इटली	+2 18.02.2019 - 21:04 4nic Whyyyyy 5 attack whyyyyyy ---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon लदान... लदान...
4nic Illyria लेखो: 5342 (Message) से (User): इटली	+1 18.02.2019 - 21:15 4nic लिखा द्वारा Mars Attack!, 18.02.2019 at 20:32 Bad idea, witch doctor...apparently, this is your dumb idea to counter MoS/stealth. it wouldve been not bad with 6 attack SMH ---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon लदान... लदान...
Tundy Salt Industries लेखो: 5885	+1 18.02.2019 - 21:59 Tundy Really nice strat लदान... लदान...
Kord लेखो: 89 (Message) से (User): USA	+8 18.02.2019 - 22:17 Kord But what about a strat that lets us use map editor correctly? Too OP to introduce? लदान... लदान...
Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) Paradox लेखो: 3002	18.02.2019 - 22:20 Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) लिखा द्वारा Mars Attack!, 18.02.2019 at 20:32 Bad idea, witch doctor...apparently, this is your dumb idea to counter MoS/stealth. Except it doesnt counter mos. Mos already spams a lot of infantry which is the counter to this strat. You could just use marine and stealth to expand versus neutral and then use infantry to attack your enemy. लदान... लदान...
Augustus Caesar Epic Clan लेखो: 3831 (Message) से (User): न्यूजीलैंड	+1 18.02.2019 - 22:34 Augustus Caesar YEEEEEEESSSSSS ---- Lest we forget Moja Bosna Ponosna लदान... लदान...
HibibiJl Red Army लेखो: 2	18.02.2019 - 22:41 HibibiJl Love u dave <3 लदान... लदान...
Dragon Illyria लेखो: 387 (Message) से (User): हॉगकॉग	+8 18.02.2019 - 22:52 Dragon When will Counter-Counter-Insurgence be released लदान... लदान...
Permamuted Illyria लेखो: 6176 (Message) से (User): आयरलैंड	+6 18.02.2019 - 23:48 Permamuted Like I said in wds thread लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 15.02.2019 at 11:35 Just for the record, I am against the addition of this strategy. Rock/paper/scissors strategy setups are bad for the game. It's bad enough that we have ds and blitz. We don't want more of these imbalances. It dumbs down the game to just picking the right counterstrat to win. Besides the strategies that this is designed to counter arent even that strong in the current meta. But if we are going to be stuck with it. लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 29.12.2018 at 22:44 -1 defence against tanks, destroyers, bombers, infantry Remove that nerf from the strategy. It makes it redundant. ---- लदान... लदान...
Permamuted Illyria लेखो: 6176 (Message) से (User): आयरलैंड	+18 18.02.2019 - 23:49 Permamuted I think we should look at new units now for the default map. That would help us innovate new strategies. ---- लदान... लदान...
Garde लेखो: 2842 (Message) से (User): Canada	+1 19.02.2019 - 00:12 Garde लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 18.02.2019 at 23:49 I think we should look at new units now for the default map. That would help us innovate new strategies. Along with this, I think we should look at editing and balancing the default map to enable further accessibility and create a wider range of competitively viable maps. लदान... लदान...
Mars Attack! Red Ball Express लेखो: 114	+1 19.02.2019 - 01:13 Mars Attack! लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 18.02.2019 at 22:20 लिखा द्वारा Mars Attack!, 18.02.2019 at 20:32 Bad idea, witch doctor...apparently, this is your dumb idea to counter MoS/stealth. Except it doesnt counter mos. Mos already spams a lot of infantry which is the counter to this strat. You could just use marine and stealth to expand versus neutral and then use infantry to attack your enemy. lol but it does counter your stealth...then, you are stuck with making infantry and other units....which defeats purpose of stealth hehe लदान... लदान...
Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) Paradox लेखो: 3002	19.02.2019 - 01:26 Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) लिखा द्वारा Mars Attack!, 19.02.2019 at 01:13 लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 18.02.2019 at 22:20 लिखा द्वारा Mars Attack!, 18.02.2019 at 20:32 Bad idea, witch doctor...apparently, this is your dumb idea to counter MoS/stealth. Except it doesnt counter mos. Mos already spams a lot of infantry which is the counter to this strat. You could just use marine and stealth to expand versus neutral and then use infantry to attack your enemy. lol but it does counter your stealth...then, you are stuck with making infantry and other units....which defeats purpose of stealth hehe Stealth can still be used to expand neutrals. लदान... लदान...
Mars Attack! Red Ball Express लेखो: 114	19.02.2019 - 01:41 Mars Attack! लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 19.02.2019 at 01:26 लिखा द्वारा Mars Attack!, 19.02.2019 at 01:13 लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 18.02.2019 at 22:20 लिखा द्वारा Mars Attack!, 18.02.2019 at 20:32 Bad idea, witch doctor...apparently, this is your dumb idea to counter MoS/stealth. Except it doesnt counter mos. Mos already spams a lot of infantry which is the counter to this strat. You could just use marine and stealth to expand versus neutral and then use infantry to attack your enemy. lol but it does counter your stealth...then, you are stuck with making infantry and other units....which defeats purpose of stealth hehe Stealth can still be used to expand neutrals. hehe xD लदान... लदान...
Zephyrusu The_Empire लेखो: 3702	+7 19.02.2019 - 04:40 Zephyrusu "A reminder to scenario players -- if you are concerned about strategies effecting the balance of your scenario, don't forget there is a "disable strategies" option you can use when starting a new game." It's quite hilarious how this already-debunked argument was repeated word for word in this post. Well, this strat is useless for scenarios anyway so I'm not really worried but still. ---- Someone Better Than You लदान... लदान...
G.R.O.M Peaky Blinders लेखो: 572 (Message) से (User): मोरक्को	+1 19.02.2019 - 06:55 G.R.O.M Good news, on my way to test it ---- ''People ask for criticism, but they only want praise.'' लदान... लदान...
Agel The Boys लेखो: 163 (Message) से (User): स्पेन	19.02.2019 - 07:18 Agel So it's a blitz like oriented strat used to counter ONLY GW and INS. Also If you need attack you have tanks Sentry planes are only to hunt shealts. If you want this to be a viable strat disable The Deff nerf or this strat Will be quite useless this strat needs to be playable without using sentry planes vs non stealth oriented. That's my opinión based only in numbers and in the balance we have since in a nub scenario player. लदान... लदान...
Waffel Syndicate लेखो: 6422 (Message) से (User): जिबूती	+5 19.02.2019 - 07:38 Waffel Oh come on guys, the strat is barely out and everybody already complaining like they usualy do. You know its verry hard to please with an audience like this? Give them some slack, we've seen 2 new strats in less than 2 months, while we haven't seen a new strat for years now. Just give it a try, give your two cents and then try to fix/balance/tweak it, instead you guys give type of comments like ''This strat was doomed to work blabla''. ---- लिखा द्वारा Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44 Waffel for mod 2015 लदान... लदान...
Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) Paradox लेखो: 3002	+5 19.02.2019 - 08:19 Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) Not sure why people are expecting counter insurgency to be game changing. This is what happens when you suggest a balanced strat. It has its uses and isnt completely dominating. लदान... लदान...
JF. Prestige लेखो: 1076 (Message) से (User): सर्बिया	19.02.2019 - 08:26 JF. लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 19.02.2019 at 07:38 Oh come on guys, the strat is barely out and everybody already complaining like they usualy do. You know its verry hard to please with an audience like this? Give them some slack, we've seen 2 new strats in less than 2 months, while we haven't seen a new strat for years now. Just give it a try, give your two cents and then try to fix/balance/tweak it, instead you guys give type of comments like ''This strat was doomed to work blabla''. We've seen two new strats, with no thought process what so ever. Just fire and forget. Doesn't matter the consciences. No offence to dave but he is just a rank 5. He doesn't understand the game yet. Maybe ask people before just dumping on the game. लदान... लदान...
Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) Paradox लेखो: 3002	19.02.2019 - 08:28 Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) लिखा द्वारा JF., 19.02.2019 at 08:26 लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 19.02.2019 at 07:38 Oh come on guys, the strat is barely out and everybody already complaining like they usualy do. You know its verry hard to please with an audience like this? Give them some slack, we've seen 2 new strats in less than 2 months, while we haven't seen a new strat for years now. Just give it a try, give your two cents and then try to fix/balance/tweak it, instead you guys give type of comments like ''This strat was doomed to work blabla''. We've seen two new strats, with no thought process what so ever. Just fire and forget. Doesn't matter thw consciences. No offence to dave but he is just a rank 5. He doesn't understand the game yet. Maybe ask people before just dumping on the game. Imagine if the current relentless attack never existed as a strat and was just added today. Idiots like you would cry that it's an idiotic new strategy. "oh my gosh this relentless attack thing sucks, it's so weak and your tanks arent strong enough to make the difference." No offense JFreder but when you're a flat earther, your critical thinking skill is already thrown out the window. लदान... लदान...
JF. Prestige लेखो: 1076 (Message) से (User): सर्बिया	19.02.2019 - 08:42 JF. लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 19.02.2019 at 08:28 लिखा द्वारा JF., 19.02.2019 at 08:26 लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 19.02.2019 at 07:38 Oh come on guys, the strat is barely out and everybody already complaining like they usualy do. You know its verry hard to please with an audience like this? Give them some slack, we've seen 2 new strats in less than 2 months, while we haven't seen a new strat for years now. Just give it a try, give your two cents and then try to fix/balance/tweak it, instead you guys give type of comments like ''This strat was doomed to work blabla''. We've seen two new strats, with no thought process what so ever. Just fire and forget. Doesn't matter thw consciences. No offence to dave but he is just a rank 5. He doesn't understand the game yet. Maybe ask people before just dumping on the game. Imagine if the current relentless attack never existed as a strat and was just added today. Idiots like you would cry that it's an idiotic new strategy. "oh my gosh this relentless attack thing sucks, it's so weak and your tanks arent strong enough to make the difference." No offense JFreder but when you're a flat earther, your critical thinking skill is already thrown out the window. The strategies a pile of shit. You dont need critical thinking to understand that! लदान... लदान...
bubartem The_Empire लेखो: 307	19.02.2019 - 09:05 bubartem लिखा द्वारा Zephyrusu, 19.02.2019 at 04:40 "A reminder to scenario players -- if you are concerned about strategies effecting the balance of your scenario, don't forget there is a "disable strategies" option you can use when starting a new game." It's quite hilarious how this already-debunked argument was repeated word for word in this post. Well, this strat is useless for scenarios anyway so I'm not really worried but still. Makes me cringe every time I see it,right after I cringe after seeing new strat लदान... लदान...
bubartem The_Empire लेखो: 307	19.02.2019 - 09:12 bubartem लिखा द्वारा Dragon, 18.02.2019 at 22:52 When will Counter-Counter-Insurgence be released And rename game to atrock-paper-scissors लदान... लदान...
Sultan of Swing Stalins Martians लेखो: 2948 (Message) से (User): USA	19.02.2019 - 09:20 Sultan of Swing लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 18.02.2019 at 20:26 लिखा द्वारा Sultan of Swing, 10.02.2019 at 21:05 Holy full support edit: I think sentries should only get +3 attack since theres no range nerf for them in this idea (range is quite op indeed), and should get +1 attack against stealth Blah 5 attack. It needed 6, sultan. You'll see once you actually play it. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong, I'll be testing asap ---- लदान... लदान...
Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) Paradox लेखो: 3002	+1 19.02.2019 - 10:06 Witch-Doctor (मध्यस्थ) लिखा द्वारा Sultan of Swing, 19.02.2019 at 09:20 लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 18.02.2019 at 20:26 लिखा द्वारा Sultan of Swing, 10.02.2019 at 21:05 Holy full support edit: I think sentries should only get +3 attack since theres no range nerf for them in this idea (range is quite op indeed), and should get +1 attack against stealth Blah 5 attack. It needed 6, sultan. You'll see once you actually play it. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong, I'll be testing asap लदान... लदान...
Chess Strategy - None लेखो: 461	+2 19.02.2019 - 10:18 Chess This is another infantry strat by reducing infantry cost by 10 and giving it 8 defence against Marines and Militia. Another one-unit type spam strategy. Except that it's worse since it wants to follow a rock-scissor-paper principle. What that really does is make your success dependent from luck. It fails to give sentry planes an unique role. ---- Competitive Europe vs Asia https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=39403 लदान... लदान...
Oleg Prestige लेखो: 7274 (Message) से (User): मोंटेनेग्रो	19.02.2019 - 11:30 Oleg लिखा द्वारा G.R.O.M, 19.02.2019 at 06:55 Good news, on my way to test it ---- लदान... लदान...
G.R.O.M Peaky Blinders लेखो: 572 (Message) से (User): मोरक्को	+1 19.02.2019 - 11:40 G.R.O.M My opinion about this strategy after some tests, i find it based only on one thing, it is counter to the strategies that rely on the marines and militia like (GW,MoS and ins..), as we already know that these strategies is rarely used because it needs some specific conditions, add a new counter strategy against those stra is... Otherwise, it can be used against other strategies but you must always take the offensive role, and for that this stratgey needs more offensive power like 6/7 for Sentry Plane, but it also has a negative side, that will make it more powerful with the high range of Sentry Plane The bottom line is, it's good to see some new additions to the game, but after INS there is no point to add more new strategies rn, because we already have enough stra for each unit, and what we really need is some new units as laochra said, so we can make new strategies based on it, I know it will be difficult to add a new unit and find a balance between it and the existing units, but i'm afraid to say, without that it seems as if we go in circles. ---- ''People ask for criticism, but they only want praise.'' लदान... लदान...
Dominoz ENIGMA लेखो: 268 (Message) से (User): USA	+1 19.02.2019 - 14:36 Dominoz This ain't it chief. ---- लदान... लदान...
4nic Illyria लेखो: 5342 (Message) से (User): इटली	+2 19.02.2019 - 15:08 4nic Youl all change your mind once it gets buffed. ---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon लदान... लदान...
TimTheNoob लेखो: 394 (Message) से (User): USA	19.02.2019 - 15:32 TimTheNoob लिखा द्वारा BigAssGoth, 18.02.2019 at 20:34 Nice meme Dad did you bring back the milk ---- Not a good player लदान... लदान...
Thotticus Prime The_Empire लेखो: 136 (Message) से (User): USA	+1 19.02.2019 - 19:30 Thotticus Prime I think we should add buildings, or make an auto building spawn for every rein turn in all cities/ caps. Theres a buildings tab with nothing in it... (maybe or maybe not the best idea) Add more plane varieties with not insane costs, most people try to save money so they only make full inf spam which gets pretty boring pretty quick? लदान... लदान...
hairbags लेखो: 20439	20.02.2019 - 17:17 hairbags Why is insurrection even a strat, it is absolute cancer, now we have this chemotherapy to counter it instead of just removing insurrection. and i hope you understand that disabling strats on a scenario will really mess it up ---- i think i might be hairbags - zizou लदान... लदान...
Garde लेखो: 2842 (Message) से (User): Canada	+1 20.02.2019 - 17:34 Garde लिखा द्वारा hairbags, 20.02.2019 at 17:17 Why is insurrection even a strat, it is absolute cancer, now we have this chemotherapy to counter it instead of just removing insurrection. and i hope you understand that disabling strats on a scenario will really mess it up Power creep and test periods. I don't believe anyone said that CI is a counter to INS, though? And strategies are being built around the default map, not Scenarios. Adapt your maps or move on. लदान... लदान...
JF. Prestige लेखो: 1076 (Message) से (User): सर्बिया	+2 20.02.2019 - 18:20 JF. लिखा द्वारा Guest, 20.02.2019 at 17:34 लिखा द्वारा hairbags, 20.02.2019 at 17:17 Why is insurrection even a strat, it is absolute cancer, now we have this chemotherapy to counter it instead of just removing insurrection. and i hope you understand that disabling strats on a scenario will really mess it up Power creep and test periods. I don't believe anyone said that CI is a counter to INS, though? And strategies are being built around the default map, not Scenarios. Adapt your maps or move on. It's in the name lmao. लदान... लदान...
hairbags लेखो: 20439	20.02.2019 - 21:47 hairbags लिखा द्वारा Guest, 20.02.2019 at 17:34 लिखा द्वारा hairbags, 20.02.2019 at 17:17 Why is insurrection even a strat, it is absolute cancer, now we have this chemotherapy to counter it instead of just removing insurrection. and i hope you understand that disabling strats on a scenario will really mess it up Power creep and test periods. I don't believe anyone said that CI is a counter to INS, though? And strategies are being built around the default map, not Scenarios. Adapt your maps or move on. how do i adapt a map i didnt make when the mapmaker hasnt been on atwar in 3 years and doesnt allow clones? ---- i think i might be hairbags - zizou लदान... लदान...
Garde लेखो: 2842 (Message) से (User): Canada	20.02.2019 - 21:51 Garde लिखा द्वारा hairbags, 20.02.2019 at 21:47 लिखा द्वारा Guest, 20.02.2019 at 17:34 लिखा द्वारा hairbags, 20.02.2019 at 17:17 Why is insurrection even a strat, it is absolute cancer, now we have this chemotherapy to counter it instead of just removing insurrection. and i hope you understand that disabling strats on a scenario will really mess it up Power creep and test periods. I don't believe anyone said that CI is a counter to INS, though? And strategies are being built around the default map, not Scenarios. Adapt your maps or move on. how do i adapt a map i didnt make when the mapmaker hasnt been on atwar in 3 years and doesnt allow clones? What map is it? I'm sure Dave or a mod could help unlock it if it's a major map. Otherwise, make a new one! We have a large deficit of maps. Ask Hellykin or Tunder for help if you're not accustomed to making maps. लदान... लदान...
hairbags लेखो: 20439	20.02.2019 - 21:56 hairbags लिखा द्वारा Guest, 20.02.2019 at 21:51 लिखा द्वारा hairbags, 20.02.2019 at 21:47 लिखा द्वारा Guest, 20.02.2019 at 17:34 लिखा द्वारा hairbags, 20.02.2019 at 17:17 Why is insurrection even a strat, it is absolute cancer, now we have this chemotherapy to counter it instead of just removing insurrection. and i hope you understand that disabling strats on a scenario will really mess it up Power creep and test periods. I don't believe anyone said that CI is a counter to INS, though? And strategies are being built around the default map, not Scenarios. Adapt your maps or move on. how do i adapt a map i didnt make when the mapmaker hasnt been on atwar in 3 years and doesnt allow clones? What map is it? I'm sure Dave or a mod could help unlock it if it's a major map. Otherwise, make a new one! We have a large deficit of maps. Ask Hellykin or Tunder for help if you're not accustomed to making maps. there is more than one map with a missing mapmaker ---- i think i might be hairbags - zizou लदान... लदान...
Brsjak First Order लेखो: 1524 (Message) से (User): मकदूनिया	21.02.2019 - 12:46 Brsjak A reminder to scenario players -- if you are concerned about strategies effecting the balance of your scenario, don't forget there is a "disable strategies" option you can use when starting a new game. i explained why this doesnt work and you still post it have some dignity लदान... लदान...
Brsjak First Order लेखो: 1524 (Message) से (User): मकदूनिया	21.02.2019 - 12:59 Brsjak लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 19.02.2019 at 07:38 we've seen 2 new strats in less than 2 months, while we haven't seen a new strat for years now. That is a nice way to trick to community into thinking you are doing something creative while doing nothing creative at all लदान... लदान...
Black Vortex The Imperial Academy लेखो: 1245 (Message) से (User): USA	+3 21.02.2019 - 22:19 Black Vortex लिखा द्वारा Brsjak, 21.02.2019 at 12:59 लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 19.02.2019 at 07:38 we've seen 2 new strats in less than 2 months, while we haven't seen a new strat for years now. That is a nice way to trick to community into thinking you are doing something creative while doing nothing creative at all stop being such a tightass seriously, I peronsally do not like these new strats but players like you cannot be satisfied with anything. >have admins that do nothing >proceeds to bitch and complain >has admin that makes TEMPORARY update just to see how players feel about it >gonna bitch and complain Honestly, people are getting way more overzealous over these new strats that are temporary than they did when Ivan and amok changed the already existing strats like IF, RA, etc permanently. लदान... लदान...

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