RA too strong?

Revert cost change, remove defence and range bonuses and remove +10 to mil.

Crits

I don' t play ra, but as imp or pd with turk i easily beat ukr ra

Yeah, let's Nerf RA due to a bug

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 06:03

Yeah, let's Nerf RA due to a bug

Oh no RA is still op, but we'll need to do something about pd. Maybe alter the defensive values of normal inf. For 4 years we have all played not noticing the absense of the city defense bonus but wondering why defence was so weak. PD was considered op without it, well now pd inf have + 2 def. Standard inf have +1 and gw/pd militia have +1. This is a dark time for rushers. PD will need at least -1 def. Or we should consider resetting it to what it was with -2 to pd and -1 to deafult inf.

Lol what? Nerfing PD? Hahahahah, so basically what you guys are thinking of is: We accept RA rush, blitz rush, whatever more op boosts will come rush, and yet no other strategy but PD to deffend vs them? GG. Nice trying to make this game fully rushmode. I mean I know you so called ''pro's'' want to have everything as fast as possible, like 1 min games, 2 min games, whatever. But changing the strategies to furfill that need is just ridiculous.

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 06:16

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 06:03

Yeah, let's Nerf RA due to a bug

Oh no RA is still op, but we'll need to do something about pd. Maybe alter the defensive values of normal inf. For 4 years we have all played not noticing the absense of the city defense bonus but wondering why defence was so weak. PD was considered op without it, well now pd inf have + 2 def. Standard inf have +1 and gw/pd militia have +1. This is a dark time for rushers. PD will need at least -1 def. Or we should consider resetting it to what it was with -2 to pd and -1 to deafult inf.

Why are you guys trying to nerf every songle strategy possible? How about instead giving a boost to strats no one uses? Like hw or tg

If u reset pd infs, a turkey wont be able to defend vs a full sm rush from ukr. It'll be gg t4

लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:27

Lol what? Nerfing PD? Hahahahah, so basically what you guys are thinking of is: We accept RA rush, blitz rush, whatever more op boosts will come rush, and yet no other strategy but PD to deffend vs them? GG. Nice trying to make this game fully rushmode. I mean I know you so called ''pro's'' want to have everything as fast as possible, like 1 min games, 2 min games, whatever. But changing the strategies to furfill that need is just ridiculous.

go educate yourself on the changes before you start complaining and throwing around accusations dear. Defensive gameplay is stronger than ever(a good thing imo). even if we implement the nerf i just suggested. Blitz is the same, but the defensive capabilities of all the strats was just boosted.

Does the community at leastbhave the right to vote? Cuz at the end of the day, mods are 15-20 while community is 1000+ players

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 06:16

...This is a dark time for rushers...

Well said my brother.. well said..

This wasnt a change implemented by the mods. this was a bugfix. City defence bonuses werent registering and amok fixed it.

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=21419

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 07:31

लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:27

Lol what? Nerfing PD? Hahahahah, so basically what you guys are thinking of is: We accept RA rush, blitz rush, whatever more op boosts will come rush, and yet no other strategy but PD to deffend vs them? GG. Nice trying to make this game fully rushmode. I mean I know you so called ''pro's'' want to have everything as fast as possible, like 1 min games, 2 min games, whatever. But changing the strategies to furfill that need is just ridiculous.

go educate yourself on the changes before you start complaining and throwing around accusations dear. Defensive gameplay is stronger than ever(a good thing imo). even if we implement the nerf i just suggested. Blitz is the same, but the defensive capabilities of all the strats was just boosted.

Deffensive gameplay is stronger than ever? Lul what? Wasn't it you who was saying couple days ago: ''Its so rare to see a turkey who doesn't rush before turn 5''
No single 1v1 but some exceptions last longer than 10 turns lately. Idk from what statistics you base these ''facts''
But like I suggested 1000million times, it would be better for the community to avoid these kind of discussion, since you as mod are aware of the changes, but we the community should just guess what has changed etc. We can't always listen like doggies of what moderators have to tell about the changes of strategies. So freaking make a forum for every strategy changes, since its really annoying people are trying to change strategies without discussing it with the community (who also play those strategies).

And saying yo go educate myself is pretty harsh, I mean why are you attacking? It seems like I can never express my opinion about strategies when it comes to disagreeing with you without getting insulted in an ''accepted way''

But hey, I am not gonna turn this into another 600 posts thread again at the end of you being mad at me for expressing my opinion and ignoring me lolz.

लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:39

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 07:31

लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:27

Lol what? Nerfing PD? Hahahahah, so basically what you guys are thinking of is: We accept RA rush, blitz rush, whatever more op boosts will come rush, and yet no other strategy but PD to deffend vs them? GG. Nice trying to make this game fully rushmode. I mean I know you so called ''pro's'' want to have everything as fast as possible, like 1 min games, 2 min games, whatever. But changing the strategies to furfill that need is just ridiculous.

go educate yourself on the changes before you start complaining and throwing around accusations dear. Defensive gameplay is stronger than ever(a good thing imo). even if we implement the nerf i just suggested. Blitz is the same, but the defensive capabilities of all the strats was just boosted.

Deffensive gameplay is stronger than ever? Lul what? Wasn't it you who was saying couple days ago: ''Its so rare to see a turkey who doesn't rush before turn 5''
No single 1v1 but some exceptions last longer than 10 turns lately. Idk from what statistics you base these ''facts''
But like I suggested 1000million times, it would be better for the community to avoid these kind of discussion, since you as mod are aware of the changes, but we the community should just guess what has changed etc. We can't always listen like doggies of what moderators have to tell about the changes of strategies. So freaking make a forum for every strategy changes, since its really annoying people are trying to change strategies without discussing it with the community (who also play those strategies).

And saying yo go educate myself is pretty harsh, I mean why are you attacking? It seems like I can never express my opinion about strategies when it comes to disagreeing with you without getting insulted in an ''accepted way''

Recently, I've become quite fond of Laochra

Just -1 def off PD, and nerf RA. PD will still be STRONGER than before and RA should stay reasonable compared to rest of strats.

लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:39

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 07:31

लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:27

Lol what? Nerfing PD? Hahahahah, so basically what you guys are thinking of is: We accept RA rush, blitz rush, whatever more op boosts will come rush, and yet no other strategy but PD to deffend vs them? GG. Nice trying to make this game fully rushmode. I mean I know you so called ''pro's'' want to have everything as fast as possible, like 1 min games, 2 min games, whatever. But changing the strategies to furfill that need is just ridiculous.

go educate yourself on the changes before you start complaining and throwing around accusations dear. Defensive gameplay is stronger than ever(a good thing imo). even if we implement the nerf i just suggested. Blitz is the same, but the defensive capabilities of all the strats was just boosted.

Deffensive gameplay is stronger than ever? Lul what? Wasn't it you who was saying couple days ago: ''Its so rare to see a turkey who doesn't rush before turn 5''
No single 1v1 but some exceptions last longer than 10 turns lately. Idk from what statistics you base these ''facts''
But like I suggested 1000million times, it would be better for the community to avoid these kind of discussion, since you as mod are aware of the changes, but we the community should just guess what has changed etc. We can't always listen like doggies of what moderators have to tell about the changes of strategies. So freaking make a forum for every strategy changes, since its really annoying people are trying to change strategies without discussing it with the community (who also play those strategies).

And saying yo go educate myself is pretty harsh, I mean why are you attacking? It seems like I can never express my opinion about strategies when it comes to disagreeing with you without getting insulted in an ''accepted way''

Waffel.. >_>
Go read here and you'll understand http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=21419

If u nerf ra then nerf sm as well

लिखा द्वारा Htin, 06.09.2015 at 08:44

If u nerf ra then nerf sm as well

I must ask. Why?

Cryyy leave ra alone or nerf pd and sm

लिखा द्वारा Steve Aoki, 06.09.2015 at 09:08

लिखा द्वारा Htin, 06.09.2015 at 08:44

If u nerf ra then nerf sm as well

I must ask. Why?

Sm to op, only shit i know is ra to beat it

लिखा द्वारा Htin, 06.09.2015 at 09:33

लिखा द्वारा Steve Aoki, 06.09.2015 at 09:08

लिखा द्वारा Htin, 06.09.2015 at 08:44

If u nerf ra then nerf sm as well

I must ask. Why?

Sm to op, only shit i know is ra to beat it

Then you should try to learn more about this game, considering the only shit you know is ra > sm.

Just out maneuver whatever pd user you are facing. Not like theyre going to attack your stack or anything. Maybe keep a stinch of your own infantry to fortify whatever cities/ area that the pd user is going for and then swoop around him and put pressure around his main collection of cities

लिखा द्वारा Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:39

So freaking make a forum for every strategy changes, since its really annoying people are trying to change strategies without discussing it with the community (who also play those strategies).

this is a bad idea, one of the reasons why:

लिखा द्वारा Htin, 06.09.2015 at 09:33

लिखा द्वारा Steve Aoki, 06.09.2015 at 09:08

लिखा द्वारा Htin, 06.09.2015 at 08:44

If u nerf ra then nerf sm as well

I must ask. Why?

Sm to op, only shit i know is ra to beat it

you've also seen the polls on nerfing RA, more people voted no and you and I both know RA needs a nerf. some things a community shouldn't decide on.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:12

you've also seen the polls on nerfing RA, more people voted no and you and I both know RA needs a nerf.

Hi, I certainly don't know why RA requires a Nerf.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:12

some things a community shouldn't decide on.

Agree. Disagree with your specific example however. There's a reason about why that poll grave a no as election.

(quoting just so you know that there are people who things that RA doesn't requires a Nerf)

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:32

Agree. Disagree with your specific example however. There's a reason about why that poll grave a no as election.

(quoting just so you know that there are people who things that RA doesn't requires a Nerf)

since this thread about RA I gave that example, and it's true. When 50% of duelers start to use RA after it's tanks cost went down to 90, then some thing is wrong. 5k games are ruined with RA attack, stack, spam and repeat.

lao has already mentioned it is gamebreaking, and he is not wrong. there's obviously a reason why he's saying that and you definitely shouldn't ignore it.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:38

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:32

Agree. Disagree with your specific example however. There's a reason about why that poll grave a no as election.

(quoting just so you know that there are people who things that RA doesn't requires a Nerf)

since this thread about RA I gave that example, and it's true. When 50% of duelers start to use RA after it's tanks cost went down to 90, then some thing is wrong. 5k games are ruined with RA attack, stack, spam and repeat.

lao has already mentioned it is gamebreaking, and he is not wrong. there's obviously a reason why he's saying that and you definitely shouldn't ignore it.

1. I cannot really argue with Laochra about RA after he called us all half-brained. You're implying his argument is intact, it is not.

2. The recent bug fix changes everything.

3. We can duel 5k RA at anytime you want. I'd probably beat you with Blitz Ukraine or GW greece though. Specialization does exist in a gameplay that was already broked from the start (5k Europe). Ukraine is simply too strong with anything, but more specially with Blitz.

4. 50% of duelers? Nice make-up stat. I've certainly see an increase of the players using RA as it was expected, but this doesn't even got closer to 50%. However I'd still invite you to prove those stats.

5. 9 attack for 90 cost? Still not efficient enough to match IMP militias, nor reinf-efficient enough to match NC destroyers. In a combination of both though, it does makes sense that it haves such reinf-cost-efficiency when it is the only unit that is being boosted in the strategy.

6. There's nothing wrong with -1 defense for tanks as Cthulhu, as Me, as crey, and as a lot of other players had asked for. More than it however, is a harsh Nerf that could push the strategy back to the grave.

Oh, I've also asked for Nerfing Tanks a little and boost bombers and destroyers (to fit with the strategy's name). Guess who was against this: tophats.

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

1. I cannot really argue with Laochra about RA after he called us all half-brained. You're implying his argument is intact, it is not.

maybe he is too harsh, but it's only because you don't listen.

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

2. The recent bug fix changes everything.

I agree here, much so. However this will obviously be changed, since otherwise ALL the strats will need to be buffed, when we can just revert it/nerf pd with -1def

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

3. We can duel 5k RA at anytime you want. I'd probably beat you with Blitz Ukraine or GW greece though. Specialization does exist in a gameplay that was already broked from the start (5k Europe). Ukraine is simply too strong with anything, but more specially with Blitz.

Yeah sure we could do that, you win a few, I win a few. few nice rolls here and there. But honestly, I myself have beaten an RA poland with GW greece. TB luck and skill is needed for this. otherwise I would've been crushed. Easily. Not seen blitz, but that's not what this topic is about.

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

4. 50% of duelers? Nice make-up stat. I've certainly see an increase of the players using RA as it was expected, but this doesn't even got closer to 50%. However I'd still invite you to prove those stats.

Maybe I've just recorded all duels from the past year and to the present time, stored away in CD's cabinet. Seriously though, I have seen MORE than half the duelers using RA, I was being nice with 50%. Heck, Goblin (a very AWESOME dueler) even told me in clan chat that he was using UK RA to pwn noobs. UK. United Kingdom. A country that has just over 1k starting cash.

Nice

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

5. 9 attack for 90 cost? Still not efficient enough to match IMP militias, nor reinf-efficient enough to match NC destroyers. In a combination of both though, it does makes sense that it haves such reinf-cost-efficiency when it is the only unit that is being boosted in the strategy.

Are you kidding me clovis1122? 90 cost is way efficient for a main attacking unit, with 9 ATTACK. I've heard stories about spamming 50 tanks with bulgaria in 5k. That is 450 attack. As I said, spam attack repeat.

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

6. There's nothing wrong with -1 defense for tanks as Cthulhu, as Me, as crey, and as a lot of other players had asked for. More than it however, is a harsh Nerf that could push the strategy back to the grave.

Don't forget to include me in that! Oh wait that was like 3 months ago, acq said I think. Yeah I changed my mind, defense won't cut it. You'll only kill the tanks with a TB and no Relentless attacking player will stop moving.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:58

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

3. We can duel 5k RA at anytime you want. I'd probably beat you with Blitz Ukraine or GW greece though. Specialization does exist in a gameplay that was already broked from the start (5k Europe). Ukraine is simply too strong with anything, but more specially with Blitz.

Yeah sure we could do that, you win a few, I win a few. few nice rolls here and there. But honestly, I myself have beaten an RA poland with GW greece. TB luck and skill is needed for this. otherwise I would've been crushed. Easily. Not seen blitz, but that's not what this topic is about.

My point was that we shouldn't compare RA in 5k europe because, as Goblin said once, that gameplay is too dependable of tbs and lucky rolls. It was already broken before RA got the boost.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:58

he was using UK RA to pwn noobs.

Cut that off there.... of course, we can beat any "noob" with "anything". I'd accept your fact is other players vouch for it though (that RA is being used in more than half of the duels).

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:58

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 19:48

5. 9 attack for 90 cost? Still not efficient enough to match IMP militias, nor reinf-efficient enough to match NC destroyers. In a combination of both though, it does makes sense that it haves such reinf-cost-efficiency when it is the only unit that is being boosted in the strategy.

Are you kidding me clovis1122? 90 cost is way efficient for a main attacking unit, with 9 ATTACK. I've heard stories about spamming 50 tanks with bulgaria in 5k. That is 450 attack. As I said, spam attack repeat.

That's impossible until probably Turn 6 or so. With a player with the average skill level though, it becomes almost impossible to do. SS, evidences, proofs are welcome...

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 19:58

Don't forget to include me in that! Oh wait that was like 3 months ago, acq said I think. Yeah I changed my mind, defense won't cut it. You'll only kill the tanks with a TB and no Relentless attacking player will stop moving.

They must keep moving unless they want to lose. That's actually a good thing that changes RA's mechanics. With 5 max def they already can't hold almost anything, now with 4 def they will have to either buy infantries (who would still have 5 def) or keep moving from city to city (which is a pretty bad choice due to the 3 turns required before acquiring 100% income).

Before anything though, this is one of the changes with most approvals. I'd like to see this first than anything just to see how it goes.