Any pro lifer here?

Anyone here in favour of banning abortions?
I want to hear your reasons why.

What's the point of banning abortions anyways? Like guns, people are still gonna get abortions even if it's outlawed.

Yeah we had this conversation some times over the years. Alot of whackos here who believe that an unborn parasite has more rights than a fully grown adult female.

In Ceausescu's Romania at some point a law was issued which banned abortions. Abortions were still made, but in miserable conditions and with enormous risks.
The natural increase of my country is, however, negative.
Chinese and some Middle Easterners started to settle here, especially in the south.
So I guess the population number will stagnate, unless some miracle will happen, some campaign will be conducted to encourage baby-making or privileges granted to larger families. You in USA don't have this problem, because immigration adds the necessary + over a stagnating or negative natural increase.
We, opposing you, are quite poor, so we are not attractive for large numbers of immigrants, we catch once in a while some Middle Easterners at the borders (especially when trying to cross into Serbia/Hungary to go further west) and deport them or they ask for political asylum, but they are few. I am not sad because of this.

I am now thinking of our grand-grandfathers, having 10-15+ kids. Only now I think that if I would hear of something like this now, I would be amazed, I can count on the fingers of one hand the persons I met who have 10+ kids here. Other than that, friends, relatives, acquaintances of mine have 1 kid, when I hear about the 2nd kid I am like wow, congrats, that's a big thing and 3 kids have only older people I know...

All in all, it is true what you say, that abortions will be made whatever the laws, but maybe there is a way to incentivize baby-making so that we reach some 1%-2% natural increase, at least.

Would you have wanted to be aborted? Give others the right to fucking live

Too edgy 4 pro life

लिखा द्वारा The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 03:26

Would you have wanted to be aborted? Give others the right to fucking live

Would an unborn unconscious mass of cells care? No fucks given by cells. Respect the parent's wish, for they are conscious and know what is best for them and their unborn unconscious mass of cells.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 16.07.2017 at 00:57

I am now thinking of our grand-grandfathers, having 10-15+ kids. Only now I think that if I would hear of something like this now, I would be amazed, I can count on the fingers of one hand the persons I met who have 10+ kids here. Other than that, friends, relatives, acquaintances of mine have 1 kid, when I hear about the 2nd kid I am like wow, congrats, that's a big thing and 3 kids have only older people I know...

Agreed, right now a kid is not an asset anymore, it's more like a worry and a burden. Why would anyone want to have more than 2 kids anyway?

I don't support abortion due to me being a Christian and tbh imo abortion should be banned but thats my opinion

Unborn baby's are living. You are committing murder. From the moment the sperm is produced by the male that is a living organism. To make it seem less than it is, but still have a major factor. Killing anything is wrong. Think of a women who losses her child in birth or dies when the women dies. They morn the loss of a child and his/her death, they do not morn what they could have been. Some even have funerals.

Scientists/doctors now sell fetus's to organisations and companies for experiments because, they have no care for life. This stems all the way from the top and falls down to the bottom to people like us. If people at the top have no care for life and infect our minds with it , we'll change. Just like we have in modern days.

A women might say she can't afford it, it's too difficult but, there is always a way. In an extreme case when the women is raped. It is still here child and she could send it away.

It isn't killing if it isn't alive. No scientist would consider a mass of cell that would die on its own living yet.

Regardless, why would you try to restrict the bodily right of people with laws. Imagine if circumcism was banned because the mass of cell off your penis was considered a life.

लिखा द्वारा The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 03:26

Would you have wanted to be aborted? Give others the right to fucking live

Would you have wanted to be born into a life of poverty and neglect because you were the unwanted child in an unprepared family?

लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 15.07.2017 at 18:35

-snip!-

I am pro life!




Pro women's life and, thus, their choice to abort or not.

First of all, abortions are legalized primarily because if they were illegal, people would just do it anyways and in shitty conditions, which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her. So legalizing abortions prevents illegal abortions which endanger health. On top of that, they prevent some sort of illegal activity dark-market-ish stuff, which also has a positive effect.

Now, I've read some posts here which kinda made me facepalm myself..

लिखा द्वारा JF., 16.07.2017 at 07:47

Unborn baby's are living. You are committing murder. From the moment the sperm is produced by the male that is a living organism. To make it seem less than it is, but still have a major factor. Killing anything is wrong. Think of a women who losses her child in birth or dies when the women dies. They morn the loss of a child and his/her death, they do not morn what they could have been. Some even have funerals.

First of all, this is a bit stupid? Unborn babies aren't exactly living, they're just a forming fetus till x months. Some legislation allow abortions up to x weeks (very few) of "age", if we can call it that way. You're putting as if abortions are allowed until 7 or 8months of pregnancy or the day before its birth, so don't go through the autism way. I'd rather have my (future) wife sacrifice her growing fetus if she was risking her life than carry on with some crippling pregnancy. Afterall, aslong as I don't get my dick and balls chopped off, I can just make another one. Yes, sorry for being blunt but we have to be objective and babies aren't the end of the world. In Medieval age parents would lose 2 or 3 kids and breed ohter 8.

Nobody is condemning the fact there's baby funerals, also those funerals are held with babies who were born already so..yeah (in majorly most of the time), but pragmatism should stand above all tbh

लिखा द्वारा JF., 16.07.2017 at 07:52

Scientists/doctors now sell fetus's to organisations and companies for experiments because, they have no care for life. This stems all the way from the top and falls down to the bottom to people like us. If people at the top have no care for life and infect our minds with it , we'll change. Just like we have in modern days.

It's called research

लिखा द्वारा JF., 16.07.2017 at 07:53

A women might say she can't afford it, it's too difficult but, there is always a way. In an extreme case when the women is raped. It is still here child and she could send it away.

How about I rape your gf or wife or companion, and force her to have her child? and bear the guilt of descendants and orphanage and poverty?

लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 09:23

It isn't killing if it isn't alive. No scientist would consider a mass of cell that would die on its own living yet.

Regardless, why would you try to restrict the bodily right of people with laws. Imagine if circumcism was banned because the mass of cell off your penis was considered a life.

^^^^^^

I love how there are people who think they can have a say about someone elses life. If people dont want a child and choose for abortion, respect their choices.

Live and let live.

First time I disagree with you on something JF.. such a pitty.

When the child is growing it is alive, all the way from a cell.

So yes it is murder even if the women doesn't want it.


But what wd said, yes that would be a matter of opinion of people. If it is murder or not.

And waffle, it is their choice if they want to, that is why I am not protesting about it.

लिखा द्वारा Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

First of all, abortions are legalized primarily because if they were illegal, people would just do it anyways and in shitty conditions, which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her.

oh no, a woman trying to murder her unborn child might risk getting hurt, what a tragedy

लिखा द्वारा Viruslegion, 16.07.2017 at 12:20

लिखा द्वारा Al Fappino, 16.07.2017 at 10:38

First of all, abortions are legalized primarily because if they were illegal, people would just do it anyways and in shitty conditions, which would endanger the woman and probably kill her or cripple her.

oh no, a woman trying to murder her unborn child might risk getting hurt, what a tragedy

"murder" pleeease, they only count as truly beings once they're out

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 16.07.2017 at 00:57

In Ceausescu's Romania at some point a law was issued which banned abortions. Abortions were still made, but in miserable conditions and with enormous risks.

Ceausescu banned abortion in 1960, 30 years later people born in 1960 ousted him

लिखा द्वारा RaulPB, 16.07.2017 at 05:27

लिखा द्वारा The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 03:26

Would you have wanted to be aborted? Give others the right to fucking live

Would an unborn unconscious mass of cells care? No fucks given by cells. Respect the parent's wish, for they are conscious and know what is best for them and their unborn unconscious mass of cells.

Let's make a study, i bet i'll chop my right hand if 90% of those who abort have IQ more than 80

Because i don't think they are conscious and know what's best for them...

लिखा द्वारा Columna Durruti, 16.07.2017 at 10:24

लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 15.07.2017 at 18:35

-snip!-

I am pro life!




Pro women's life and, thus, their choice to abort or not.

Why their choice? Why women always have more right than men?!

50% of that baby belongs to a man, called father, he have vote as well.

I believe abortion is simply murder. We are being forced to normalize these things by these extreme liberals, to think you can just tear the limbs from a baby and see it as normal is sick. It is a complete disregard for life. I believe abortion should only be allowed when the life of the woman is at direct risk.

लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 09:32

लिखा द्वारा The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 03:26

Would you have wanted to be aborted? Give others the right to fucking live

Would you have wanted to be born into a life of poverty and neglect because you were the unwanted child in an unprepared family?

What kind of attitude is that to take? Do you know how many successful people grew up in poverty? Gabriel Jesus grew up painting the streets of Brazil before the World Cup, now he earns millions playing for Manchester City. Taking a baby's life because it will struggle with poverty is extreme.

I would allow abortions only in few cases
such as
rape
endangering life of mother
diseases that will make life harder and which can be discovered by fetal screening.

Just my 2 cents

लिखा द्वारा Wheelo, 16.07.2017 at 13:23

I believe abortion is simply murder. We are being forced to normalize these things by these extreme liberals, to think you can just tear the limbs from a baby and see it as normal is sick. It is a complete disregard for life. I believe abortion should only be allowed when the life of the woman is at direct risk.

लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 16.07.2017 at 09:32

लिखा द्वारा The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 03:26

Would you have wanted to be aborted? Give others the right to fucking live

Would you have wanted to be born into a life of poverty and neglect because you were the unwanted child in an unprepared family?

What kind of attitude is that to take? Do you know how many successful people grew up in poverty? Gabriel Jesus grew up painting the streets of Brazil before the World Cup, now he earns millions playing for Manchester City. Taking a baby's life because it will struggle with poverty
is extreme.

Oh you think every baby can beat the odds? You think everybody can win the lottery and have a chance of upward social mobility? I would not want a child to be born into a world of suffering, the unfeeling dead cells that I aborted goes in the trash and I can pop out another one in a month.

Stop trying to say baby. You are PURPOSEFULLY misrepresenting what is aborted. They aren't babies when they are aborted, they are just a mass of cells with no brain yet.

That sort of wishful thinking is what leads to people being scammed by snake oils salesmen.

लिखा द्वारा Skanderbeg, 16.07.2017 at 13:06

लिखा द्वारा Columna Durruti, 16.07.2017 at 10:24

लिखा द्वारा Witch-Doctor, 15.07.2017 at 18:35

-snip!-

I am pro life!




Pro women's life and, thus, their choice to abort or not.

Why their choice? Why women always have more right than men?!

50% of that baby belongs to a man, called father, he have vote as well.

Use your brain dinkwad. Women have entirely different roles in sexual reproduction as men. It's obvious when it comes to sex, men are more disposable than women since it only takes one man to impregnate a thousand.

Unless you are a fucking male sea horse, you do not get equal rights as someone who has to carry a baby for 9 months.
If you do believe you are enough of a special snowflake to get equal decision rights when it comes to a child that you wont be apart of for 9 months, then please chop off your dick and grow a vagina and uterus.

लिखा द्वारा The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 11:29

Too me, any life is better than no life,

Because you and many others here dont even know the basics, like what life is and what constitutes a living organism. A fetus fails 3 of the 4 criteria to be described as an organism based on biology, since it does not react to stimuli, it cannot reproduce and cannot maintain homeostasis.

लिखा द्वारा The Sphinx, 16.07.2017 at 11:29

I would rather live an impoverished. But at least they get to experience.

I would rather you dont live and dont get to experience anything, if you are the product of a forced/ unwanted pregnancy, or in a country already overpopulated.

Humans are funny species, they think they have the right to destroy the planet and everything it consists of, plants, animals, soil, natural resources, atmosphere, seas and other humans just so they and their family fulfill their "wants".

लिखा द्वारा JF., 16.07.2017 at 11:32

So yes it is murder even if the women doesn't want it.


But what wd said, yes that would be a matter of opinion of people. If it is murder or not.

1. It is NOT murder since the embryo is NOT a living organism and you CANNOT murder non living things.

Organism

Definition

noun, plural: organisms

(Science: Biology)

An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis.


Source
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Organism


2. Its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of FACT. Its getting tiresome to sit back and watch the devolution of the human species. its 2017 already and people still throw around "opinions" over established scientific definitions.

लिखा द्वारा Skanderbeg, 16.07.2017 at 13:02

Let's make a study, i bet i'll chop my right hand if 90% of those who abort have IQ more than 80

Because i don't think they are conscious and know what's best for them...

Jokes on you granpa.

The data suggests that between 1995 and 2008 abortion rates have lowered in developed nations, which can be explained by better access to sex education, general education, access to healthcare and family planning. Also countries with more liberal laws on abortion actually have lower abortion rates.





Moreso, as you can see by the following picture, the countries with themost harsh anti-abortion laws, are actually the countries that rank best in crime rates, illiteracy, corruption, human rights violations and rank worst in healthcare, education, standards of living, participation in scientific papers etc. The link with religiosity is also obvious.






Going even further, if we check the fertility rates, as shown in the next picture, oh Surprise suprise!! The same countries that had anti-abortion laws have the highest fertility rates, to put it bluntly they cant control their fucking children. Not only they contribute to overpopulation, but they shamelessly give birth to children in conditions of poverty, hunger, disease and illiteracy. Guess where all these uneducated, diseased, poor souls gonna migrate when they grow up and who does that help?






TLDR; Based on the data, there is a clear correlation between strict anti-abortion laws, religiosity, high fertility rates, stupidity and the worst standards of living seen on earth.


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