Why did rome fell to savages like islam,slavs,germans?

please explain, I know rome was the superior ultimate culture, but how did they lost against uncivilized barbarians?

लिखा द्वारा Helly, 28.07.2016 at 17:07

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Uncivilized germans and dirty slavs alike destroyed the best empire the world has known.

लिखा द्वारा Oleg, 28.07.2016 at 17:26

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Rome, never forget.

#NotAllBarbarians

At the time the leaders where very bad. They had also split their empire into two parts and were fighting each other. This allowed outside countries to infiltrate their defenses and siege and capture rome. This was the fall of the western roman empire. The eastern roman empire survived but evolved into the Byzantine Empire.

"muh rome"

By allowing barbarians to settle in their territory just like Europe is doing with muslims

I dont understand what you mean by "how did rome fell under Islam " ? What do you mean by that, it makes 0 sense, literally made me laugh a bit D. You cant make a thread without insulting or involving Islam somehow even without a reason, can you? Lol


Ah btw rome conquered almost all Europe north africa and some northern side of middle east. They raped killed ect.. and you talk with much admiration for them? I thought you hated people who killed others for no reason or isthat only for some people who claim to be muslims? D. TIME TO MAKE COUNTLESS THREADS ABOUT TERRORISTS OF ROMAN EMPIRE AND TERRORIST CESAR LEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!

Youre a funny kid tunder seriously

लिखा द्वारा Viruslegion, 28.07.2016 at 21:34

By allowing barbarians to settle in their territory just like Europe is doing with muslims

Indians allowed your barbarian ancesters to settle in america too and few years later you were borned being racist 24/7 against others lol

At least the refugees are coming in peqce seeking a betteer life

लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 28.07.2016 at 21:41

I dont understand what you mean by "how did rome fell under Islam " ? What do you mean by that, it makes 0 sense, literally made me laugh a bit D. You cant make a thread without insulting or involving Islam somehow even without a reason, can you? Lol


Ah btw rome conquered almost all Europe north africa and some northern side of middle east. They raped killed ect.. and you talk with much admiration for them? I thought you hated people who killed others for no reason or isthat only for some people who claim to be muslims? D. TIME TO MAKE COUNTLESS THREADS ABOUT TERRORISTS OF ROMAN EMPIRE AND TERRORIST CESAR LEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!

Youre a funny kid tunder seriously

What did islam had to do with fall of romans? Ask ottomans and seljuks and their conquest of byzantine

लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 28.07.2016 at 21:42

लिखा द्वारा Viruslegion, 28.07.2016 at 21:34

By allowing barbarians to settle in their territory just like Europe is doing with muslims

Indians allowed your barbarian ancesters to settle in america too and few years later you were borned being racist 24/7 against others lol

At least the refugees are coming in peqce seeking a betteer life

Peace seeking? Why is there a terrorist attack at least once a week? Why can't women go outside without fearing for their safety?

लिखा द्वारा Nero, 28.07.2016 at 22:25

लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 28.07.2016 at 21:42

लिखा द्वारा Viruslegion, 28.07.2016 at 21:34

By allowing barbarians to settle in their territory just like Europe is doing with muslims

Indians allowed your barbarian ancesters to settle in america too and few years later you were borned being racist 24/7 against others lol

At least the refugees are coming in peqce seeking a betteer life

Peace seeking? Why is there a terrorist attack at least once a week? Why can't women go outside without fearing for their safety?

Not all of them are like that. How can they all be like that lol

We should hab atleast 1 thread were we talk about ancient empires and not islam

that'd be cool

hey check out this macedonian phalangite vs a regular greek hoplite



pretty cool guys

लिखा द्वारा Evic, 28.07.2016 at 22:04

लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 28.07.2016 at 21:41

I dont understand what you mean by "how did rome fell under Islam " ? What do you mean by that, it makes 0 sense, literally made me laugh a bit D. You cant make a thread without insulting or involving Islam somehow even without a reason, can you? Lol


Ah btw rome conquered almost all Europe north africa and some northern side of middle east. They raped killed ect.. and you talk with much admiration for them? I thought you hated people who killed others for no reason or isthat only for some people who claim to be muslims? D. TIME TO MAKE COUNTLESS THREADS ABOUT TERRORISTS OF ROMAN EMPIRE AND TERRORIST CESAR LEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!

Youre a funny kid tunder seriously

What did islam had to do with fall of romans? Ask ottomans and seljuks and their conquest of byzantine

Ah youre trying to say ottomans exterminated byzantines just like byzabtines exterminated many nations and peoples? Unlike byzantines,ottomans allowed them to keep their churches their faith language and traditions while romans and byzantines didnt allow that to the people they INVADED and EXTERMINATED

Oh and btw little brainless kid, this is a thread about rome not byzantine

लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 28.07.2016 at 23:47

Oh and btw little brainless kid, this is a thread about rome not byzantine

The Byzantine and Eastern Roman Empire are the same thing

लिखा द्वारा Valetorious, 28.07.2016 at 23:20

We should hab atleast 1 thread were we talk about ancient empires and not islam

that'd be cool

hey check out this macedonian phalangite vs a regular greek hoplite



pretty cool guys

i think the hoplite will win. pikes are rly only good in large formations and once a person gets past the point of a pike that size then they will easily be able to make use of a faster shorter weapon to win

Homosexuality

लिखा द्वारा Viruslegion, 29.07.2016 at 00:02

लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 28.07.2016 at 23:47

Oh and btw little brainless kid, this is a thread about rome not byzantine

The Byzantine and Eastern Roman Empire are the same thing

Well, as i mentioned before most of you racists are ignorant and stupids because thats where racism comes from. And this is what i mean by most americans are ignorant and stupid like you.

1- Byzantine and EAST ROMAN empire are the same, what you were trying to say was WESTERN ROMAN EMPIRE. And my comment which you quoted never said byzantine empire isnt same as eastern European empire.

2- even with that being said, byzantine empire isnt same as western roman empire since it broke off from it therefor it was a completely different empire. You cant say hungary and austria are the same because there was hungaro-austrian empire, cuz the countries abbandoned that unity

3- this is what happens when you dont have knowledge of the topic and you speak from your ass

4- real countries and their histories arent learned on online games

People like you are wierd like you tubder ect, you want to participate in a hate talk just so you can express your hate with the most stupid ignorant comments even without having knowledge of it

लिखा द्वारा Tundy, 28.07.2016 at 20:47

please explain, I know rome was the superior ultimate culture, but how did they lost against uncivilized barbarians?

Because the people that rome OPRESSED,INVADED,KILLED,RAPED,USED AS SLAVE thought that was enough!!!!

Its almost same as your old mexican barbaric uncivilized peoples, made spanish conquistadors leave your country

" Barbarians Slavs and Germanics "

^Thats why they got destroyed because they underestimated everyone , when the huns were gathering thousands of troops to invade rome
the romans didnt even consider them a threat at first saying "savages could never bring down rome". They had superior culture?
The only reason rome spread as far as it did and held their empire was because all the other civilizations (except carthage from which they almost got obliterated at first)
is because they were all reduced to small warring kingdoms and the romans employed their tactics "divido et imperio" divide and conquer , head on they couldnt war anyone.

Also rome was never brought down by islam
If you are talking about Byzantium the only roman thing in it was its other name Eastern Roman Empire , after they made greek official language and culture
there was nothing roman about it. For most of its history it was ruled by greek emperors.

First to adress some points.

1. "barbarians" cannot be compared with the hordes of todays muslim immigrants. Barbarians admired Rome and all they really wanted was to assimilate to the empire. That is proven by the fact that once they were in, they converted to Christianity, learned latin, started getting educated, continued using Roman institutions and tried to immitate roman infastructure and roads (failed but still) Moreover, they were skilled fighters themselves and they created art and etc Nothing like the modern muslim animal, who prefers to stay uneducated, worthless, isolated and bring his backwarded and outdated beliefs, culture and sharia law to the West.

2. Eastern Roman empire was not a seperate entity but a continuation of the Roman empire. The term "Byzantine empire" was given by modern historians quite recently, at that time there was little distinctions and people of the East considered themselves ROMANS and not Byzantines. Offcourse i dont expect uneducated Albanians like comando to know anything more than what albanian preschool history books with pictures, say.

Reasons for the fall of Western Rome:

- Constant barbarian invasions, infiltration of barbarian commanders and armies into the legions-overexpansion-christianity-decreasing workforce-economic drawbacks-corruption - poor leadership

Here i would add, the theory that almost every agressive and militant tribe/civilization that ever existed- evident throughout all of our history, turned to being "softer" more peacefull and less militant over time, only to be conquered by the next more agressive and military disciplined neighboor, only to soften themselves and be conquered by the next and so on and so on. This happens because once a group of people conquer enough land and settle, the resulting economic benefits and standards of living allow them to live better lifes without fighting. They prefer to eat and drink, get educated and create art and do politics than fight and die. This has been happening since way before Romans, from Assyrians, Babylonians and tribes of the Middle East to Indus Valley tribes, to Europeans, to Muslims and Seljuks to bascily almost everyone and goes on even today for eg in the US where black gangsters started enjoying rich lifes and there came tougher, more brutal Salvadorian and Mexican gangsters and pushed them away, or Albanians with Coza nostra in Italy or right now (how laughable) when even animals like Albanians slowly start to appreciate peacefull family life, careers and education over jail and death and the more backwarded and brutal muslim jihadists are entering europe and have them scared shitless.

Same thing, did happen to Rome. Romans were tired of fighting, legionnaires were looking forward to become veterans and be given land to settle and raise a family. Romans in big cities enjoyed such fruitfull and luxurius lifes as politicians, traders, shopkeepers, artists, architechts, skilled workers that incentives for more war and conquest were non existant.

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"The idea of Rome will never die. We live in a world defined by the Romans. The basis of our legal code, our architecture, our entertainment values, political spirit and ambitions are all defined by the ideals of Rome. We are Rome"

लिखा द्वारा Viruslegion, 28.07.2016 at 21:34

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लिखा द्वारा Valetorious, 28.07.2016 at 21:26

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लिखा द्वारा Viruslegion, 29.07.2016 at 00:02

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लिखा द्वारा Checkmate., 29.07.2016 at 00:03

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लिखा द्वारा klevis, 29.07.2016 at 00:26

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लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 29.07.2016 at 00:34

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लिखा द्वारा Ghostface, 29.07.2016 at 00:41

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लिखा द्वारा Khal.eesi, 29.07.2016 at 05:40

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लिखा द्वारा Croat, 29.07.2016 at 05:53

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लिखा द्वारा Khal.eesi, 29.07.2016 at 05:40

Here i would add, the theory that almost every agressive and militant tribe/civilization that ever existed- evident throughout all of our history, turned to being "softer" more peacefull and less militant over time, only to be conquered by the next more agressive and military disciplined neighboor, only to soften themselves and be conquered by the next and so on and so on. This happens because once a group of people conquer enough land and settle, the resulting economic benefits and standards of living allow them to live better lifes without fighting. They prefer to eat and drink, get educated and create art and do politics than fight and die. This has been happening since way before Romans, from Assyrians, Babylonians and tribes of the Middle East to Indus Valley tribes, to Europeans, to Muslims and Seljuks to bascily almost everyone and goes on even today for eg in the US where black gangsters started enjoying rich lifes and there came tougher, more brutal Salvadorian and Mexican gangsters and pushed them away, or Albanians with Coza nostra in Italy or right now (how laughable) when even animals like Albanians slowly start to appreciate peacefull family life, careers and education over jail and death and the more backwarded and brutal muslim jihadists are entering europe and have them scared shitless.

Same thing, did happen to Rome. Romans were tired of fighting, legionnaires were looking forward to become veterans and be given land to settle and raise a family. Romans in big cities enjoyed such fruitfull and luxurius lifes as politicians, traders, shopkeepers, artists, architechts, skilled workers that incentives for more war and conquest were non existant.

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"The idea of Rome will never die. We live in a world defined by the Romans. The basis of our legal code, our architecture, our entertainment values, political spirit and ambitions are all defined by the ideals of Rome. We are Rome"

I'm not sure if Rome's cessation of expansion was necessarily it's chief cause of downfall. By the time Rome stopped expanding, the most plentiful areas of natural resources were under its control, specifically the territories around the Mediterranean. Even with little to no expansion, Rome still required two Emperors to rule- imagine how hard it would be to rule an even larger empire. Furthermore, corruption was immense sucking up an egregious amount of income. This caused a cyclical problem wherein Rome invited in barbarians (lacking in many cases the military means or simple will to fight) and gave them land. By giving them land, they hoped to use them as soldiers in an increasingly diverse army filled mainly of barbarians. ROme lacked money to hire a fully professional army and to pay off barbarians so instead they gave them land- the only means of gaining income. So as they gave away more land, they had less money forcing them to give away even greater shares of it. Eventually, many of these barbs learned roman tactics, gained roman weaponry, over a course of centuries (think of Arminius and the attempted expansion into the Rhine wherein Rome completely lost ending forced assimilation of German tribes and a form of imperialism wherein these tribes and Rome created an uneasy pact, with barbs learning from Roman commanders and understanding roman military doctrine). No matter how aggressive Rome was, it did not have the generals necessary to lead effective field armies and its Emperors were increasingly paranoid (ie. death of Aetius).

Firstly, how could islam destroy Roman Empire if islam originated 350 years after RE divided....
Slavs stronk. Germansare savages agree

Well first of all because they were fighting literally everyone, Persians, Berbers, Germans, Sarmatians, Picts, Persian-aligned Arabs, Persian-aligned Armenians and idk what else. Second reason is all the civil wars, corruption, religious conflict and overall decay Rome suffered.

Well it seems you have been waiting for it

they refused to fight

लिखा द्वारा AlBoZzZ, 29.07.2016 at 00:28

1- Byzantine and EAST ROMAN empire are the same, what you were trying to say was WESTERN ROMAN EMPIRE. And my comment which you quoted never said byzantine empire isnt same as eastern European empire.
2- even with that being said, byzantine empire isnt same as western roman empire since it broke off from it therefor it was a completely different empire. You cant say hungary and austria are the same because there was hungaro-austrian empire, cuz the countries abbandoned that unity
3- this is what happens when you dont have knowledge of the topic and you speak from your ass
4- real countries and their histories arent learned on online games

1 - I was referring collectively to both halves of the Roman Empire
2 - It is the same, it did not break away, it was put under different administration than the rest of the empire to make governance easier
3 - you have proven time and time again that you have no idea what you're talking about, in dozens of topics
4 - You're right, history is not learned in online games, it's learned through reading, I'd recommend a few books for you to read but I'm not entirely sure you're literate enough to understand them

They fell because they started to incorporate barbarians within their borders and their troops got too soft because they didn't fight for decades in some of the provinces.

लिखा द्वारा Khal.eesi, 29.07.2016 at 05:40

Was about to upvote, you started good, then ended with rapid-fire insults to Albanians.

I don't understand what's up with non-Serbian and non-Russian people disliking Albanians and Poles on the internet. The Serbs had war with Albanians, we should see them insulting, fighting and confronting Albanians in the internet(like you). It was Russia who had endless hateful wars with Poland and we should see them fighting and arguing on the internet (like you). But instead, i only see westerners who never had contact with an albanian or pole insulting and attacking them. Why? Is this some sort of mainstream internet stereotype to insult Albanians and Poles whenever situation allow?