SM needs buff, or PD needs nerf, or am I crazy?

Sm need nerf pd need nerf

Pd -1 def in cities, they tweak RA, world is perfect. No need for more changes.

Hey let's just do away with all strategies just kidding.

लिखा द्वारा The Tactician, 06.09.2015 at 14:54

Pd -1 def in cities, they tweak RA, world is perfect. No need for more changes.

completely wrong, that would only be the beginning. Weve spent 4 years getting to the level of balance we had. The meta has been flipped on its head from offence to defence. for example gw ukr will now suck vs imp turk. And those op recaps will no longer be as effective. PD will become king in worldgames, like it wasnt strong enough. IF has become stronger, the defense boost is very significant there. GC is now rubbish again, mos and sm are expensive and weak. Passive gameplay is king. And even as someone who loves slowrolling, i can tell you this will be a very dull thing for teamgames. This will need to be reversed in some manner.

and mauz its clovis and tigros fault not mine, dont shoot the messenger!

Support.

Also Amok pls. ignore list Laochra.

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 15:03

लिखा द्वारा The Tactician, 06.09.2015 at 14:54

Pd -1 def in cities, they tweak RA, world is perfect. No need for more changes.

completely wrong, that would only be the beginning. Weve spent 4 years getting to the level of balance we had. The meta has been flipped on its head from offence to defence. for example gw ukr will now suck vs imp turk. And those op recaps will no longer be as effective. PD will become king in worldgames, like it wasnt strong enough. IF has become stronger, the defense boost is very significant there. GC is now rubbish again, mos and sm are expensive and weak. Passive gameplay is king. And even as someone who loves slowrolling, i can tell you this will be a very dull thing for teamgames. This will need to be reversed in some manner.

and mauz its clovis and tigros fault not mine, dont shoot the messenger!

Which is why you nerf PD. Looking back at it I didn't realize ALL other inf also had +1 def in cities. IMP will be new power strat... How about just removing the in cities boost for all strategies and keeping it normal (PD 1 city boost only)?? Also interested to see the neutral +1.

Hmm, assuming china has most 3v3 required upgrades:

3x14 + 7x4 + 45x9 = 475 attack

we can easily see that 50inf+gen PD has 500 defense (50x10)

so 475 attack vs 500 defense, and then including random critic hits... yea you lost buddy.

Bombers arent good for defending....

लिखा द्वारा Mr_Own_U, 06.09.2015 at 16:27

Bombers arent good for defending....

Thats 45 bombers attacking

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:28

लिखा द्वारा Mr_Own_U, 06.09.2015 at 16:27

Bombers arent good for defending....

Thats 45 bombers attacking

My bad. Didnt even bother to look at the obvious... Nerf pd!

Ever since the bug was fixed PD is now crazily strong, just nerf PD, 10 def is a lot, and 9 def would be still good enough for being really cheap.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:34

Ever since the bug was fixed PD is now crazily strong, just nerf PD, 10 def is a lot, and 9 def would be still good enough for being really cheap.

if you do that i will spam ra tanks

लिखा द्वारा Htin, 06.09.2015 at 16:39

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:34

Ever since the bug was fixed PD is now crazily strong, just nerf PD, 10 def is a lot, and 9 def would be still good enough for being really cheap.

if you do that i will spam ra tanks

Even then PD infs would have the same def as tanks' attack. Considering PD infs are much cheaper, It's not that much of a big deal.
And even then RA still needs a nerf anyway, the tanks are too cheap right now imo. I'm not against RA nerfs even if PD doesn't get nerfed because if you're not PD then RA still hits pretty hard for being cheap-ish.
Even if for some reason RA turns out to be significantly more OP after PD nerfs, RA can get nerfed too to compensate.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:06

Hmm, assuming china has most 3v3 required upgrades:

3x14 + 7x4 + 45x9 = 475 attack

we can easily see that 50inf+gen PD has 500 defense (50x10)

so 475 attack vs 500 defense, and then including random critic hits... yea you lost buddy.

You dont understand my point here, do you?

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 15:03

लिखा द्वारा The Tactician, 06.09.2015 at 14:54

Pd -1 def in cities, they tweak RA, world is perfect. No need for more changes.

completely wrong, that would only be the beginning. Weve spent 4 years getting to the level of balance we had. The meta has been flipped on its head from offence to defence. for example gw ukr will now suck vs imp turk. And those op recaps will no longer be as effective. PD will become king in worldgames, like it wasnt strong enough. IF has become stronger, the defense boost is very significant there. GC is now rubbish again, mos and sm are expensive and weak. Passive gameplay is king. And even as someone who loves slowrolling, i can tell you this will be a very dull thing for teamgames. This will need to be reversed in some manner.

and mauz its clovis and tigros fault not mine, dont shoot the messenger!

Ill agree with Tact. Its a short-term solution.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:45

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:06

Hmm, assuming china has most 3v3 required upgrades:

3x14 + 7x4 + 45x9 = 475 attack

we can easily see that 50inf+gen PD has 500 defense (50x10)

so 475 attack vs 500 defense, and then including random critic hits... yea you lost buddy.

You dont understand my point here, do you?

I'm just saying, we all thought PD had 10 defense for all these years. Here it is in practice. I obviously agree with nerfing PD and have offered my thoughts already in chat.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:50

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:45

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:06

Hmm, assuming china has most 3v3 required upgrades:

3x14 + 7x4 + 45x9 = 475 attack

we can easily see that 50inf+gen PD has 500 defense (50x10)

so 475 attack vs 500 defense, and then including random critic hits... yea you lost buddy.

You dont understand my point here, do you?

I'm just saying, we all thought PD had 10 defense for all these years. Here it is in practice. I obviously agree with nerfing PD and have offered my thoughts already in chat.

don't nerf pd or i will start spamming ra tanks. PD is life Pd is love. who like rusher anyways

I mailed amok to reverse the effects of the change. The original values which we spent 4 years balancing the strats around will be restored.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:50

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:45

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:06

Hmm, assuming china has most 3v3 required upgrades:

3x14 + 7x4 + 45x9 = 475 attack

we can easily see that 50inf+gen PD has 500 defense (50x10)

so 475 attack vs 500 defense, and then including random critic hits... yea you lost buddy.

You dont understand my point here, do you?

I'm just saying, we all thought PD had 10 defense for all these years. Here it is in practice. I obviously agree with nerfing PD and have offered my thoughts already in chat.

You were just hinting at me being frustrated by losing, which isnt the point of this thread, it is to discuss why the hell 45 SM bombers lost/ lost so badly to 50 PD infantry

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:54

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:50

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:45

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 16:06

Hmm, assuming china has most 3v3 required upgrades:

3x14 + 7x4 + 45x9 = 475 attack

we can easily see that 50inf+gen PD has 500 defense (50x10)

so 475 attack vs 500 defense, and then including random critic hits... yea you lost buddy.

You dont understand my point here, do you?

I'm just saying, we all thought PD had 10 defense for all these years. Here it is in practice. I obviously agree with nerfing PD and have offered my thoughts already in chat.

You were just hinting at me being frustrated by losing, which isnt the point of this thread, it is to discuss why the hell 45 SM bombers lost/ lost so badly to 50 PD infantry

Yes and we all told you why, and I gave you the calculation of it. If that's all you wanted then...

[pr]b0nker2: case closed

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 16:53

I mailed amok to reverse the effects of the change. The original values which we spent 4 years balancing the strats around will be restored.

No need to "implement" the bug again, just nerf PD it's gonna be the same lol.
I much more prefer PD being nerfed + the bug being fixed than no bug fix + offensive units being OP (specially RA).
I don't know what you're talking about dude, even you admit RA was too strong and "gamebreaking" before the bugfix. I can't understand how nerfing PD and keeping the bugfix is worse than reverting the changes.

Guys, this is a recent change. It haven't even happened 10 days since the implementation.

Many players (tact, me, even you Laochra) already proposed -1 defense. As Dr.TrollFace said, it is a short-term solution. After that, go play some games, maybe get some screenshots and then we can discuss about it. This is not any big thing.

Give it a try.

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 16:53

I mailed amok to reverse the effects of the change. The original values which we spent 4 years balancing the strats around will be restored.

Is it possable to change the values to a floating-point number? A change from 7 to 9 are an increase of 28%. Why not 7.8 or 8.4 ?!?

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 17:14

Guys, this is a recent change. It haven't even happened 10 days since the implementation.

Many players (tact, me, even you Laochra) already proposed -1 defense. As Dr.TrollFace said, it is a short-term solution. After that, go play some games, maybe get some screenshots and then we can discuss about it. This is not any big thing.

Give it a try.

not a big thing.... You see those rolls correct?

Why can't we just keep the fix, and then boost all strats up?

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 17:28

not a big thing.... You see those rolls correct?

I've played many games today just for test how strong PD had become. I agree to -1 defense, but as I said, it is not a big thing. As for your battle, Stryko already grave you an answer.

Unless you want SM bombers to be stronger than PD infantries? Currently it was 10 defense vs 8 attack [Assuming you don't have General: Bomber Attack upgrade]. Even if you had, it is 9 vs 10.

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 17:05

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 16:53

I mailed amok to reverse the effects of the change. The original values which we spent 4 years balancing the strats around will be restored.

No need to "implement" the bug again, just nerf PD it's gonna be the same lol.
I much more prefer PD being nerfed + the bug being fixed than no bug fix + offensive units being OP (specially RA).
I don't know what you're talking about dude, even you admit RA was too strong and "gamebreaking" before the bugfix. I can't understand how nerfing PD and keeping the bugfix is worse than reverting the changes.

there was an ra revamp being discussed before all this happened along with a few other small changes. Keeping the bugfix would mean we would have to start from scratch with all the strats. PD was the most affected strat since it gained +1 to its militia and +2 to its inf. But all the strats got affected. All the strats would need a rework if we kept this. And why go to that bother when we'll just end up balancing it back towards what we had 2-3 days ago over a period of another few years.

लिखा द्वारा clovis1122, 06.09.2015 at 17:33

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 17:28

not a big thing.... You see those rolls correct?

I've played many games today just for test how strong PD had become. I agree to -1 defense, but as I said, it is not a big thing. As for your battle, Stryko already grave you an answer.

Unless you want SM bombers to be stronger than PD infantries? Currently it was 10 defense vs 8 attack [Assuming you don't have General: Bomber Attack upgrade]. Even if you had, it is 9 vs 10.

50 cost for 10 def vs 130 cost for 8 attck. Is this not illogical?

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 17:38

लिखा द्वारा Guest, 06.09.2015 at 17:05

लिखा द्वारा Permamuted, 06.09.2015 at 16:53

I mailed amok to reverse the effects of the change. The original values which we spent 4 years balancing the strats around will be restored.

No need to "implement" the bug again, just nerf PD it's gonna be the same lol.
I much more prefer PD being nerfed + the bug being fixed than no bug fix + offensive units being OP (specially RA).
I don't know what you're talking about dude, even you admit RA was too strong and "gamebreaking" before the bugfix. I can't understand how nerfing PD and keeping the bugfix is worse than reverting the changes.

there was an ra revamp being discussed before all this happened along with a few other small changes. Keeping the bugfix would mean we would have to start from scratch with all the strats. PD was the most affected strat since it gained +1 to its militia and +2 to its inf. But all the strats got affected. All the strats would need a rework if we kept this. And why go to that bother when we'll just end up balancing it back towards what we had 2-3 days ago over a period of another few years.

Why would all strats need a rework?
It's basically only PD that is op because it has a +2 bonus in own city on top of the +1 def bonus. At least for me, I don't find other strats' infs being too strong. They have 7 def and 8 with gen compared to 8/9 of most offensive units.
And if for some reason all infs are still too strong (why?), just add some kind of new mechanic for offensive units to have a little bonus or something, there's no need to rework all strats.
If you revert the bugfix you will have incorrect information and tricky mechanics, I'm pretty sure it was a bug and it was not intended and provided an advantage in unwanted and unneeded situations.